In this episode, Alice Paul Center Interim Associate Director Maria Murphy speaks with APC Professor of Practice Roz Lee about the long haul of social change, cultivating personal & organizational sustainability in social justice work, coming from a family of labour activists and Black Power advocates, popular education as a method to promote understanding, the inspiring young generation of climate activists, her Penn GSWS seminar “Money, Power, Respect,” her vinyl record collection, and developing strategies toward a society that is more beautiful than the one we have now.